From Rock Bottom to Seven-Figure Success

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Like, our subconscious minds, like, we just get so comfortable in our situations- Mm-hmm ... no matter if they're good or bad, and majority of people are comfortable in their own crap. Let's go. Yeah. Make it look, make it look, make it look easy. I stand up.

The goal of this podcast is to share original insights and conversations on the habits, mindsets, and strategies of elite performers that produce exceptional results. Let's go. Samantha, it's awesome having you on the show. Thanks for taking some time with us. Thank you.

I'm so excited to be here, and I know we're gonna get into some juicy conversations, so I'm here for it. Yeah. So when, um, when your people reached out to me and pitched me, it was funny. Um, you know, the first thing they said was, uh, from being arrested to- ... uh, you know, a seven figure entrepreneur. And I was like, that's pretty interesting.

And then I did a bunch of research and I was like, I need to know more about this part of the story. And obviously it's, uh, juicy and it's a great headline. Mm-hmm. And I think it's a good place to start. So, um, you know, how did you get arrested?

Yeah. So I was actually in my mid-20s, and now I've been an entrepreneur for, like, over a decade now, which is crazy. I basically started when I was kind of in college, was supposed to go to med school. Decided my senior year, this isn't for me anymore. Mm-hmm.

Which was in that place of just being like, well, what the heck do I do with my life? And back then, which I might be, like, dating myself, but it's like entrepreneurship wasn't cool. It was like if you were an entrepreneur or, like, a business owner, like, you know, just doing your own thing, you're kinda like a loser. Like, what are you doing? Like, sleeping- Yeah ... on your mom's kinda couch kind of a thing.

So I decided to go to med school, which made my parents basically, like, it was unspoken word of, "Well, we're cutting you off and not supporting you. You gotta figure it out if you're not gonna go do that." Yeah, yeah. So went down the road of entrepreneurship. Um, I was modeling and acting in college 'cause I couldn't do that before college, and I started dabbling and learning more about like, oh, I can make my own money.

Oh, this seems really good. This, this is fun. This is great. And then I got kind of into, like, MLM stuff for a little bit. Kind of, I was, I was too early and young mindset for that.

I didn't understand it fully. Yeah. But I ended up s- well, as I was in the modeling and acting industry, I kind of like, I was always had... I had this eye for, okay, how can I do this and monetize it? So I ended up starting my own video production company, marketing company.

This is way before, like now we have UGC content creators- Yeah ... all of that. Didn't have that back then, and I had tons of companies coming to me to create their videos for social media, YouTube, Amazon, all of that. So in my early 20s, like, that company was making me really good money. So just, I'm painting you the picture. I'm now...

I graduated from U of A, moved back up to Scottsdale, Arizona, and if anyone's familiar with Scottsdale, Arizona, I lived at right in the heart of Old Town where all the nightclubs are, all the fun is, like 24/7 fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You probably see where this story's going a little bit. Mm-hmm. But my lifestyle, you know, I was in my early mid-20s making good money for myself for being self-employed, and it was a very work hard, play hard mentality for me.

Mm-hmm. Much like most of my friends there. Most m- I was the only one that was k- self-employed. Everyone else had corporate jobs, so I was very different. Kinda didn't have anyone to connect with, but the way that I could really connect and have fun with people is to go out and party.

So that was my lifestyle. And for a long time I knew that I was meant for bigger things. Like, I was, even though I had my marketing company, I really wanted to model and act, which I was doing a little bit of traveling in the meantime throughout the United States. But I was always just, like, afraid to push the limits. Like, I was like, "Why change anything when I can pay my bills, have the luxury car, have the condo, all of that, you know?

I'm doing well." But deep down inside, knew I was meant to be doing more, and slowly but surely, that caught up with me. So it was just one night, we went out, it was the same thing, different weekend, and I had just had something put in my drink. Like, at that time I could drink like a fish. Mm-hmm.

I don't drink anymore, but I could drink like a fish, right? So going into the nightclub, you have your first couple drinks, then all of a sudden I'm just feeling like, there's something wrong. I need to get out of here. And I kind of so grateful for my intuition and just, like, knowing my body and having the support, like knew the bartenders, knew the bouncers, you knew the doorman, like all of that. So I kinda just ran to the back of the nightclub where my friend was doing the back door and I'm like, "I need to get home."

Like, "Put me in a cab." Um, or just like, get, "I need to get outta here." So he pulled up a cab and I ran out of the club. So kind of just like, not frantic, but just, like, the mindset of I need to get outta here 'cause something's wrong. Yeah.

And so he put me in a cab. My condo was literally like four minutes from this club. Mm-hmm. And when I'd arrived, like it's, whatever I'd taken it, it was just already ... kicking in, and, uh, that's where my memory gets extremely blurry. But the one thing I do remember is the cab driver yelling at me because I left my purse and bag, you know, at the booth in the, in the club, and I didn't have money to pay for the clap- the cab, and this was like a five or six dollar cab.

So he calls the cops. In the meantime, like I'm just so effing out of it that like- Yeah ... I didn't know what's going on. Cops roll up real quick 'cause they're just everywhere in that town. Um, and they're like basically like saw me in this...

They probably thought I was just wasted out of my mind and- Yeah ... um, they arrested me because I didn't have that five, six dollars to pay for this cab home. And I went and I spent the night in jail, and the next morning I woke up and I'm like, "What the F?" Like- Yeah ... "This is not who you are." Like I was the type of person that grew up, you know, straight As, never, you know, broke the rules.

I, I had never been in trouble for anything and, you know, this is what's happening to me right now. So that was like my personal like, I like to call it my ro- personal rock bottom because that was something that was just a huge eye-opener for me. And from that moment on, I literally went on this trajectory to literally changing everything about my life. Like I uprooted, changed everything from what I was doing for work, to where I lived, to the people I hung out with, to literally everything over the next like 60, 90 days, and that's what kind of put me on this trajectory to, to changing my life to now creating a very healthy lifestyle, creating, um, a very successful business, and now I help others do the same. Yeah.

S- do you think people need that rock bottom moment? I've been, you know, I've been an entrepreneur for some amount of time. I, uh, uh, do a lot of coaching, I do a lot of speaking, and y- y- you'll meet people and they'll share their story with you where they are, but they're getting... And, and they may want to be better, right? Like you said, like you- Mm-hmm ... afraid to push the limits, but doing well.

Yeah. Uh, they wanna do better. They probably know they're capable of more, but no matter what you tell them, you could give them literally the keys to the kingdom and they wouldn't turn the, the, the lock. And i- do you think we have to have that moment? It doesn't have to be necessarily the same way that you experienced it.

Right. Mm-hmm. But do you think we have to have some version of that moment to shake us loose to say the path that we're not on, or the path that we're on is not gonna get us where we wanna go, or do you think you can break loose if you're just kinda limping along? I, although I haven't seen that case very often. Yeah.

It's a great question, and it's a conversation that I have a lot, like literally on this topic, like do you need to have the rock bottom? For me, it's, I feel like it depends. It depends on the person because the reason why that rock bottom shifted me so hard is it, it was, it was my wake-up call. Like I think about that moment of like, "Oh my God, that night could've gone so much worse." There could've been so many wor- like I was actually grateful that I got arrested.

Yeah, yeah. Like I could just go on the stories of what if, right? But it literally made me take a look at my status quo and be like, "This isn't what I wanna do." Like, I'm not this girl. Like, I don't want this to continue happening, right?

Yeah. And I knew it was one of those moments where I ignored the red flags in my life, so I hit that rock bottom and that's what woke me up to be like, "See? Told you so." Like, you didn't make changes, so it's like this had to happen so I could wake up. So I feel like with people, it depends, but...

And I, I never wanna wish someone to hit their rock bottom. Yeah. Whatever that is. It could be something so trivial, right? Yeah.

It, it could classify as your rock bottom. But I feel like with humans, we get so, like our subconscious minds, like we just get so comfortable in our situations- Mm-hmm ... no matter if they're good or bad, and majority of people are comfortable in their own crap. Like they're- Yeah ... comfortable with being angry and tired and, you know, bored with their jobs or their careers, or unhappy with their life, or feeling unhealthy. Like, people get comfortable with that, so I feel like just like someone getting sick, right? All of a sudden.

What do we do when we get sick? Oh my gosh, we take the time to rest, we take our vitamins, we start eating healthier. But it's like until we did that, we were eating like crap and not taking care of our bodies. So, uh, it's a yes and no, but I can tell you this, now that I've hit my rock bottom and I had that experience, I now have seen that. Like, if there's a time in my life, like maybe a couple years later or, or whatever, whenever I feel things starting to happen again, like, oh, these little...

It's like those little red flags are popping up- Mm-hmm ... for certain things, I pay attention harder now and start making pivotal changes versus waiting again for everything to collapse. So I think it's like one of those really good learning lessons to then be able to not hit that rock bottom again. Yeah. I don't think you need to continuously keep hitting your rock bottom, unless you don't learn the lesson- Yes ... which I truly believe it, right? Yeah.

With that. Well, it's, uh, it's interesting. There's, there's two things in there. Um, one, we will justify, we, we have this ability as humans to justify away so many things that, um, that, that we know don't help us, right? Uh, I, I find myself, you know, I've...

I mean, the fact that I haven't been arrested is, is just a miracle. I mean, I lived a very similar life at a very similar age, and um, you know, was, was working hard, but I wasn't, I was in a corporate job, but you work all day, you work hard. Mm-hmm. And then you get done and you're like, "I need to release," you know? Yeah.

Whatever that is, you know? And you're like... And, and you'd go out, and it'd be a Tuesday, and you'd be walking into work hungover the next day, and you're like, "What am I doing?" Mm-hmm. And then, but, oh, you know, we worked really hard yesterday, or I've been grinding the last month- Mm ... so I deserve it, and it's like, you deserve to be hungover and have a really shitty day at work because you were working hard for the last month?

Like, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Mm-hmm.It, it just over and over and over again, and my- and myself included, you know, I, I've... You just justify things away. Oh, oh, you know, that ice cream for the third day in a row is fine because the kids are having ice cream and, you know, it's summertime. And you're like, what, what is summertime or anyone else eating, you know, this thing that you know is not good for you?

And especially, I, you know, I'm in my 40s now, so, like, ice cream doesn't really fall off your body the same way it did 20 years ago. So, like, you know, and I like to be fit and in shape. And, um, it's just, you will just justify anything. Mm-hmm. So how...

Like, for someone who's listening to this who maybe hasn't hit their rock bottom, but is, but is nodding along to, like, you know, th- they're hearing the justification, they're going, "I do that, I do that," h- how do you, if... 'Cause, 'cause as you said, we don't wanna wish rock bottom on anyone. Yeah. How, how does someone start to recognize these things in their life without hitting that rock bottom? So the, so the other side of the coin, if you, if you haven't hit it, and hopefully you never do, right? If you're listening to this and you haven't already, how do you start to make those corrections now so that you don't get there?

Yeah, I think the first one is awareness and having complete honesty and transparency with yourself. Like, this is kind of like with what I teach in my communities, like, you have to ask yourself, like, where it comes to... And this can be in like five different pillars, I call it. Like, with your money, with your career or job, with your health, with, um, just, like, your overall lifestyle, and even with, like, material items, and just take a look at that and be like, "Am I happy?" Like, "Is this the best version of my life that I can possibly live?"

And for the majority of people, even for myself today, the answer is no. Because I always know I can strive to be better, do better, you know, um, create a better life, all of those things. So I think the first one is just awareness of, like, being honest with yourself. Do-- Am I even happy with my life? 'Cause I think a lot of people kid themselves with being like- Yeah ... "Oh, yeah, well, I am happy because, I don't know, I do have a job, and there is money in the bank account, and, you know, I have a family," or, you know, all of that.

So I think being fully honest with yourself, and then taking that... And I know this can be super overwhelming, 'cause I know a lot of people when they get to this point of awareness, they're like, "Oh my gosh, I wanna just change everything." And I would say focus on one area of your life. Focus on one thing. If it is to make more money, okay, let's focus on, all right, what can I do to make more money?

If you already have a job, okay, is it asking for a raise? Is it, you know, starting a side hustle? Is it getting a new job? But focus on that one area that you wanna change, and start shifting the mentality behind it, and just thinking about it every single day of how you can up-level and change it. And I mean, this is what I kind of teach in like a long- Yeah ... long, long format.

But I think one is having the awareness and ha- being honest with yourself, because most people, like we've already said, like, they just get so comfortable. And not only that, it's so normalized, right? It's so normalized to work hard during the week and then go party on the weekends. And, you know, i- it's when you're surrounding yourself with those people that are all unhappy, that are all complaining, that are all, you know, in those lower level vibrational frequencies of how they talk, then of course you're gonna resonate with that and you're gonna contribute to that. And that's what normalizes it, right?

Yeah. So almost taking an inventory of, like, what are those conversations that you're having with people? What are those conversations... Like, who are you hanging out with? What are you doing on the weekends?

Is it exactly what you wanna be doing? Or do you have higher standards for yourself? So I think it's like creating this new standard for yourself. And the first kind of, like, as you start this process, it's hard. It's so hard.

Like, I remember me after I got arrested and all of that, like, honestly, like, I hid for a month. I, like, I did not tell... Anyone that, anyone that didn't know or see or anything happen, which not many people did, like, I hid. I didn't wanna let anyone know. I didn't wanna hang out with, with the same people anymore, even though they didn't contribute to it at all.

Yeah. I didn't want to go out to those places anymore. I'm like, "I'm, I'm done." Like, "I'm done. I'm setting a new high standard for what I want from my life," and I started changing it, which is uncomfortable and it can feel lonely.

And it's, it's kind of, it's kind of hard. But I promise you, once you start even just having that awareness and being like, "No, I want to change X, Y, and Z." And maybe it's, you know, following someone on social media, even if it's hiring a coach or just watching YouTube videos. Like, even when I started my journey of changing my life after my arrest, there, there was no social media of coaches and courses and all this. Yeah.

Like, it was, like, Tony Robbins and Oprah, you know? And you had to buy the DVDs. So I turned to YouTube, and I was just, like, watching all these self-development stuff, reading books, and really, like... And that's when it started clicking for me about, oh, this, this is all mindset. This is all, like, that self-development.

Because the one thing that, one, you are the creator of your reality. But the one thing standing between the reality that you want and you is your brain. Like, it's your mind. So if you can make the shifts in your mind, you are literally going to change your reality, because everything that we think, the emotions that we have, and the actions that we take, it is all... It's the man- our life is that manifestation of those three things.

Yeah. Well, if you don't like something about the reality, like, we gotta just change what's up here. Yeah. I have... One of the...

Going back to the, like, uh, not... Right now it feels like in our society, we, we've pushed comfort, easy- Mm-hmm ... like, these kind of, like, you deserve these- Mm-hmm ... you know, to, to, to live a certain life and have stuff. And we've, we've exchanged accomplishment and meaning and purpose for stuff and, like, oblivion. And what, and what I mean by oblivion is, is there is a really awful trend that I've seen, uh, uh, in, in some of the, the people in my community and just... I, I coach baseball.

I run into a lot of particularly, uh, dads who- They're all overweight- Mm-hmm ... and in some cases substantially overweight. They all know they are. Uh, now that pot is legalized, and I don't necessarily have anything particular problem with pot in general, but, like, now that it's legalized, every night they're coming home and eat... Whether it's edibles or smoking, they're getting high out of their mind and they're, they're, like, as a way to, like, calm their brain from whatever during the day. So instead of exercising, instead of eating right, instead of putting the fuel in their body or, or reading or taking on a side hustle, they're deciding to eat, uh, f- find comfort in stuff, and then whether it's alcohol or pot or some other drug, putting themselves into oblivion.

Mm-hmm. And then all the relationships start to fall apart. They're constantly, like, foggy brained and, like, kinda in a bad mood. And, like, I talk to 'em a little bit about it because obviously I do coaching too, and personal development and entre- you know, all this kinda stuff is, like, core to my life as well. And they'll look at you and be like, "Yeah, I know I shouldn't do those things."

Yeah. And I'll be like, "Well, what's up then?" And they're like... And you just get, like, this shoulder shrug. And, and I wonder, and this is where my question is for you, I, I see those guys, and they're, they're good people, right?

They're not, they're not- Mm-hmm. Yeah ... these aren't people who have any ill intention. They're trying to get through their life and, and, and they're trying to be happy, uh, but they're doing all these things that are purposefully, y- you know, causing problems. And I wonder, like, do they even know what the best version of their life could look like? Yeah.

And I guess my question for you is, one, have you seen that and do you agree with that general philosophy? And two, if you're, if someone is listening to this who is in that place, they feel stuck, how do you map out what the best version of your life could actually look like? Yeah. No, I do see it a lot, um, just, just going out into the public population, right? Yeah.

Like, you see it. Um, uh, and it's, it's heartbreaking. And I feel like just with, one, just, like, what's been going on. N- and this isn't just from the past few years of what's been going on in the world, and I feel like it, it's such a combination of things, right? It's, it's like I don't even know how deep you go into this stuff on th- in podca- in th- in this podcast, but even just, like, with, like, the, the programming from these people just being in this world of just look at, like, just, like, even the TV shows that they're watching and the things that they're doing and all of our foods, right?

They're just filled with toxins and all this crap. Like, if you're not at this point, like, buying organic and, you know, watching for seed oils and all these sorts of stuff and what, of, of course, like, you're, you're just gonna, you're gonna put on the weight. And not only that, all the other things, like all of the hormone disruptors in everything- Mm-hmm ... with just what I'm seeing as well, and my fiance and I talk about this as, uh, a lot, especially right now 'cause we're releasing a men's journal because we're also seeing this in men. We ha- there's so many things out there for women, right? To help them up level, elevate their mindset, change their life, and it's like I feel like also the men, and I don't wanna, like, blanket statement this, but there's been so much just, like, I don't even know how to word it to, like, not be misquoted on this show.

But- Mm ... you know, the masculinity of men has also decreased a lot- Mm ... I feel. And this isn't everyone. This... I just see it just, like, as a trend of, you know, and, and this is what's, what's happening, right?

Like, they're just like, meh, no purpose, no excitement, no drive. And, and women too, but just to, to talk about- Yeah, yeah ... the point here. And I think it's, like, coming back down to, like, you have to make that decision, and I feel like in those situations I don't know even how to help someone in that state because, one, I've tried. I've tried with family members- Mm-hmm ... and that's same exact what you're describing. And it's like you're talking to this wall.

Like, you just feel like there's- Yeah ... this, this veil over them and it's like I don't know what's even gonna snap them out of it. And I'm not saying, like, there's nothing you can do, but it always comes back to, like, you ha- they have to make the choice. They have to make the decision. And for anyone listening that you have this awareness now and you're like, "Fuck, like, that's me. Like, I really wanna change it," I'll give you a little bit of an example for even myself.

Even though I already have, like, mindset dialed in and I'm, I'm working on myself every single day, but about six weeks ago... And I'm, I'm, I'm into the fitness space. I used to do that back in the day, so I know how to work out. But six weeks ago I decided just one day I, I woke up and I'm like, "I wanna commit to a six-week workout plan." Mm-hmm.

Like, this isn't, like, to, like, lose a ton of weight or anything. I'm like, "No, I just want to commit." 'Cause for me as an entrepreneur, my days were insane. I would miss the gym multiple days a week because I have a call, have this, stressed out. No, no, no. I made, quote-unquote, excuses, but in reality, like, I, I was just letting it fall wayside, right?

So I made this commitment to I'm doing six weeks. I got this workout program. Every single day it told me what to do, and I went to go do it. The first week I was excited. The second week, still excited.

Kinda getting hard to show up every single day. Third week was really like, "Okay, gotta keep going." And then it kind of, like, by the fourth, fifth week it became exciting again because it had become a part of my routine and I started looking forward to it. Yeah, yeah. Like, if you're in this place of just like, okay, I need to change something, like I said earlier, pick that one thing.

Maybe it is, hey, if you smoke pot or weed, like, hey, see if you can cut back on that. You know? If it's you're watching, you're binge-watching Netflix three hours a night, like, for the love of God, like - Yeah ... like, cancel that damn subscription. Mm-hmm. Um, you know, use that time for something else.

Maybe you're scrolling Instagram for hours on end. Like, put a ti- like, our phones now have, like, these awesome time limits that can cut you off at a certain hour spendage, but I feel like it always comes back to, like, that person needs to make the choice. Like, no one... I could- Give you all the plans, all the motivational speaking, all the books to read, all of that. But if that person, like, literally just isn't willing, like, isn't, like, it, it's...

You can't force anyone else to change their lives. Which- Yeah ... it's tough, especially if it's like, you know, like you said, like, these are, you know, parents of kids that you coach or, uh, you know, your family members or your friends and stuff like that. But ultimately, the best thing that you could do, what I've seen, and this is why I show up on social media every day, this is why I've built my community, is lead by example. Yeah. Right?

So when I'm here hanging out with certain people that I know, oh, they freaking drink a lot, you know? I'm like, I'm showing up. I'm not drinking alcohol. I'm making mocktails. I'm like, "Hey, do you want a mocktail instead?"

You know, not forcing them to not drink, not bringing up, "Hey, you drink too much," but- Yeah ... kinda leading by that example. So that's a tough one, but if you, if you figure out a solution- Yeah ... like, truly, like, let me know, but it- Yeah ... that's been something that's always been so top of mind, especially with those that don't have that drive yet to change. Even though you see from the outside they're hurting- Yeah ... and they're hurting themselves and, and ones that they love. You know, so I have a, a friend. He's a extended friend, but a, but a friend, and, uh, we're at, like, a little...

I can't even remember where we were at. Some sort of gathering. Uh, we'll call it a party. And, uh, and he's complaining that he hasn't had sex in five weeks with his wife. Mm-hmm.

And she's eavesdropping, and you know, and he's, "Mah, mah, mah, mah, mah." You know, kinda classic guy stuff. Mm-hmm. And, uh, you know, I, I mean, not to be crass, but that sounds like an eternity to me. But, um, but I was like- ...

"Well, what's up?" And he's like, "Oh, you know, she bub, bub, bub." He's like, he's got all these excuses. And she turns around and goes, and she goes, "He's high as a kite every night starting at 8:00 PM." She goes, you know, and then she just kinda shrugs and turns around.

And I look at him, and he looks at me, and he just puts his head down. And, like, he just kinda, like, walked away. And I just felt so bad because- Mm-hmm ... I was like, you know, you have this person. He loves his wife.

He's a, he's a good husband. He's not a bad, you know, he's not, like- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm ... a philanderer or anything. In general, he's, he's a great dude. And he just picked up this habit, and it became a crutch for him. Yeah.

And it was impacting his relationship. It's impacting, um, I mean, just at a pure biochemistry level, a physical act that has tremendous benefits to you- Right ... and is also a lot of fun if you're doing it right. Right. And, um, and I just, I was like, I couldn't... It, it really shook me, and this was maybe, like, I say the other day.

This was probably six months ago, but it really shook me because I was like, he knows what the problem is and was willing to bitch to me about it and tell me everything but the truth. Ugh. Right? And I was like, dude, like, you know, for her to eavesdrop like that and make that comment tells me that it's a problem for her, too. Yeah.

Uh, and, like, it's so solve- like, it's a, it's a simple solution. Like, find some other way to land the ship at the end of the night. And, you know, that could be physical intimacy. It could be, uh, a workout. It could be a million other things.

Yeah. I mean, even if it's just i- make yourself one cocktail if that's what you really need, right? Like- Mm-hmm ... you know, but to, to think that there's this known problem that, and that he was just willing to, to tell me a complete story- Right ... that wasn't actually the problem to justify this thing that he was unhappy with when he was 100% the root cause. Mm-hmm. I was like, that's, this is, this is how we find ourselves in these situations.

Yeah. We just create these alternate realities, and we're not honest with ourselves about what's really going on. Mm-hmm. And I know that, and, and, and, and you're a coach, too, so you probably hear some of this. Um, you know, coaching programs get a lot of negative feedback.

Mm-hmm. They get a lot of, "Oh, you know, you're just another person telling me what to do." And, and, and I, and I think unfortunately there are some kinda scammy- Totally ... coaching programs that are out there- Mm-hmm ... for sure. But I, through this podcast and through a lot of my network and people I've met, man, there are so many people doing good work. And I think not enough people are finding someone.

It could be just a mentor. It doesn't have to be a coach. Yeah. It could be a friend of yours who's living a life closer to where you wanna be, but we're so afraid to ask for help. How, how do we, how do you, h- how in general, we'll take the, the, the, a th- you know, the, the, the, the larger idea here.

Um, how do we start to get people comfortable with the idea of, of, of asking for help or, or seeking some guidance or, or a mentorship at... And I, and I'm, and I wanna think about it more in, say, like, the 30, 35 plus range because I feel like 30, 35 under, you're at an age where you're more open- Mm-hmm ... to feedback. You're more open to that learning, but there's some point in your early 30s, I think, for a lot of people where you feel like you're supposed to know what the answer is, and it's like, I'm 43. I do read a ton. I'm part of a lot of different things.

Around a lot of successful people. I don't know what the fuck's going on half the time. Yeah, exactly. Like, how do we start to crack that nut? How do we start to get people to open up?

Is it just more people sharing? Is it- Yeah ... like, how do you think that works? Yeah. I think it is more people sharing for sure. Um, yeah, I think that, and then also, like, for example, what I do, just, like, with my inner circle, right? 'Cause this is usually people that, like, you're talking to or whatever.

Like, if I... I never wanna be, like, a coach around my friends. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I know how to kind of, like, ask questions to dig a little deeper that- We don't have to dive into the stuff, but maybe that one question will kind of spark something for them that maybe later that night they go think about, or maybe not.

I don't know. But for example, with your friend, right? Like, maybe right there with that exchange happening, my next question would've been like, like, "So what's going on, man?" Like, like, like, "What's bringing up smoking the pot every single night? Like, what's going on in life?

How you doing?" Like, was it work-related? Because, you know, that po- pot smoking is an escapism from something else going on in his life. Yeah. So it's like, if I can just, like, even ask a question, like that, like, okay, well let's go deeper a little bit on that.

Like, and whether they share or not, be like, okay, well at least they tried. At least it kind of gets their wheel spinning. Yeah. But as far as, like, the opening up, I think it's, it's the same thing. I think it's so important for all of us that, you know, have these teaching abilities, that have gone through stuff, to share, to put themselves out there.

And that way, you know, those others that are, you know, whether they're watching YouTubes or social medias or even listening to this podcast, it's like, oh, like I deal with that too. Oh, I'm intrigued. I don't wanna deal with that anymore. How did they fix it? So it's kinda like this- Yeah ... this, um, domino effect, right?

But I think at the end of the day too, it's like, for example, if you have a, are, are having a conversation, whether it's you, whether it's someone else, partner, whatever, it's like w- I see this all the time. I have a side group of like, I guess friends you can call them. They're not like m- my like friend friends, but- Mm-hmm ... hang out with them every now and then, and you just see it between the couples, multiple different couples, always fighting, always arguing. They'll start drinking, they'll get into it, all of that. And it's like you just see all these people with all these...

You know it's not the alcohol, it's those deep-rooted issues that have been- Yeah ... happening for such a long time that come out, right? During something so stupid that might have happened. So it's like having... I feel like I just wish I could teach everyone on the planet to like, have this awareness of, hey, let's just talk and communicate and ask each other questions of like, where are we at? What are we unhappy with?

What's bothering you? I think so many of us, we, we hold all our shit inside, and we're so afraid to speak up about anything. Like, maybe y- it's to your partner about something, you know, maybe you're afraid they'll get mad at you or whatever. And then we just internalize all this crap, and then all of a sudden we're resenting that person, and all of a sudden- Yeah ... we're turning to the wine at night, turning to the smoking, turn, you know, doing all these other things, feeling that disconnected, and then all of a sudden it's, you know- Yeah ... triggered. It's, uh, so I'm divorced.

Uh, you know, I, I look at that situ- so we, it's been about three years. Um, you know, we were very different people- Mm-hmm ... and grew apart because we kinda started probably close, but, but ultimately different. And then as we grew and had kids, and we were together for 13 years, but just, just very much different people. But, so, so I'm not s- and, and it's, we're good co-parents in, in general. It, it was, it's a net positive, although, you know, it's, it's never necessarily a positive for the kids.

That being said, um, when I look back at that relationship, you know, it's, it's easy to just go, "Well, she did this, she did that," or, you know, vice versa if you're the female. But, you know, when I think about it, I'm like, in general, we wanted... At its core, we wanted similar things. Sure. We were terrible at communicating with each other.

Uh, we had some things that we disagreed with, uh, just philosophically. But we never had those really deep conversations to try to get to the core of it. I mean, I'm not saying it's possible or even would've been positive for us to stay together, but I think that when, when I look back on that situation, I have to take full responsibility for the fact that I never tried to communicate with my partner in a way that really explained to her who, what I wanted outta life and- Mm-hmm ... and where I wanted to go. And maybe we would've figured out sooner that we weren't on the same path, right? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Instead of 13 years. And my point in saying that is it doesn't matter if it's your spouse, partner, a, a child, a business partner, a friend, um, it feels like we have... A- and I think the internet has a lot to do with this in general, and just our disconnectedness, remote work, et cetera, and just the, the busyness that we've found ourselves in on a day-to-day basis, uh, w- we've lost the ability, or, or we've either lost the ability and/or we no longer make time for like, deep conversations around, you know, uh, just philosophy and life and goals. We just, we just kinda skip off the surface, and nothing comes out of that.

It's like you're, you're, you're, you're running all day but going nowhere. And, and it just leads you, you used the word resentment. Um, that is such a toxic thing to let into your life, and I think so much of it starts from a lack of communication. Yeah. Yeah.

I truly, truly believe that communication is key, and that's the one thing I think... So I'm, I'm 36, so I didn't even meet my now fiance until I was 32, and I'm so grateful for that because the amount that I've grown and changed and learned to communicate from like, all my 20s of dating and all of that to like, oh, th- this is how I'm supposed to show up- Yeah, I know ... in a relationship and all of these- Yeah ... new things, right? So now even, like, with us, like we, we've built a very beautiful foundation where even on the, over the last year, and these, these could even just be some tips for, you know, your listeners, which are pretty, pretty abnormal for most people. But like, starting a year ago, we had just moved to Austin, Texas, and we kind of just like, changed a lot of things about our life. Um, but we don't watch TV.

We don't watch TV. So at night, in the evenings when we're, and when we're both done with our, our work days, like we have dinner And we, and I know this might seem a little bit more deeper woo-woo, but like literally we'll meditate together. We'll... And then we each have our little journal entries that we do in the evening. But then after that we talk.

We spend hour or two talking every single night, and even during dinner and stuff like that, but that's our wind down. Yeah. And the stuff that comes up in those conversations, how we're feeling, what we're doing, the, you know, all of those things, it is s- it's been life-changing. Like up until then we weren't doing that. We were very much binge watching Netflixes and all of that sort of stuff.

But even just making that simple switch over the last year, and we got like addicted to it as far as like, "Oh, is tonight even a night worth it to turn the TV on? No, let's like, you know, do this. Let's talk about X, Y, and Z," whatever, business, life, all that stuff, sort of stuff. But I 100% believe communication is key, whether it's with even yourself, you know, honesty with yourself- Yeah ... your friends, your partner, your coworkers, like all that sort of stuff, and I think people are so afraid to speak their truth, right? Yeah.

They're so afraid to put their ego aside, right? 'Cause if we're not asking for help or that, that's all ego, because I know it all- Mm-hmm ... and I don't need no help, right? But, and that was me all up until my mid-20s, till I hit my raw island. I had a big freaking ego, because I had to, I had, I had to prove to everyone that I didn't need a job, that I didn't need to go to med school. And like look what that eventually got me. Like I had to break down so many of my walls.

I had to be able to lead with my heart after tons and tons of breakups, of whether the guy's treating me like shit or I treated the guys like shit, you know? It was just like so many layers to all of this, to being able to like live the best version of yourself. So it's, and I know someone listening to this podcast right now would be like, "Oh my God, you guys are like covering so much." It's like- Yeah ... where do you even start with it? But I think it's just literally listening to conversations like this, and hitting play on the podcast about like healing, self-awareness, relationships, like just all different areas and aspects, and just learning more, listening more. 'Cause the more that we can educate ourselves, the more we can give ourselves awareness around these situations to be like, "Oh, wait, it isn't normal for me to not talk to my husband every single night?

It's not normal for- Yeah ... it's normal for me to like, you know, not have sex every single week or every other day?" Yeah. Or whatever, right? Like, we tend to like start normalizing these things, and all of a sudden 10 years in you're so fucking unhappy. It's like, what happened?

Like, that's why- Yeah ... people wake up in their, you know, 30s, 40s, 50s, and they're like, they have this midlife crisis 'cause they've been doing stuff for so long that they actually didn't like or enjoy. Yeah. You wake up and you look around and you're like, "Who am I?" Right? "I don't even know what I look like anymore," yeah.

Well, I think, I think a big first step, so to, so getting back to your point of an actionable first step is actually, uh, the business, your, your e-commerce business, your, uh, mainscripting.com and the journal. I think, you know, I've found... I unfortunately am very inconsistent with my journaling. However, I've found that in the moments in which I've had, uh, I've been the most confused or frustrated- Yeah ... or negative, I've turned to journaling on a consistent basis, and it has worked every time- Yeah ... pulling me out of whatever the funk was and starting to get me back on the path. I mean, I don't think it's the be-all, end-all to everything.

However, I do think that if we're not getting the crap out of our head- Yes ... it sits in there and, and, and- Stew on it ... stew on it. And it just- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's this new book called- Just marinating on it, right?

There's this new... The, I don't know if you saw the book that Abigail Shrier just put out, she was recently on Joe Rogan, a couple other podcasts as well, about, uh, talking about, um, ah, I think it's like called Toxic Therapy, at some- something like that. It, that's not exactly the title. I'm gonna butcher it. Uh, but, uh, if you go look up Abigail Shrier, you should find it, but her whole point is that, that therapy in general has evolved, um, away from how it was originally practiced to now you have therapists that you go s- you go sit down, they don't even talk, and you just tell them all your problems over and over and over again, every week, every other week, you know, whatever, however, whatever your cadence is, and it's like you're just stewing on your problems.

Yeah. And you're just... It's like, of course you're gonna feel bad about yourself if all you're ever doing is talking about all the bad shit that's happening. Yeah. So to me, if you can barf that stuff onto a page and get it out first thing in the morning, in particular, that's what always worked for me, was getting it out first thing in the morning, and you look at it and you're like, e- one, you, if you go back and you look- Yeah ... even if you just write a page or whatever it is, I feel like you, your first thought is like, one, that's not so bad, right?

It's not as bad as I might think it is. Yeah. And two, wait a minute, I can like solve some of these things. I know. Like, this isn't, you know, whatever.

So tell me about, uh, tell me about mainscripting.com, tell me about your journal, and talk to me a little bit about where this came from. Like, where did this business come from? Why did you decide to, to create a journal in general? Yeah. So I'll start with the creation of it, because this company was not in my plan at all.

Like, my entire entrepreneurial career, it was all digital, virtual, social media, online stuff. And actually during the pandemic when the entire world was in like, "What the F is going on?" The uncertainty, all the fear, all the sadness, all the anger, all the loss that was happening, and finances, life, all of that, right? We all, we all went through it. But I was actually at that point, um, teaching a bunch of students and clients on how to start their own businesses.

So I was an online business coach, and we were partway through like the course altogether, and this hits us, and all of a sudden I just saw like the, the demeanors change in the entire class, right? It's just like panic. It's like, "Oh my God, I'm supposed to be launching. There's no way I'm gonna launch my brand right now. Like, I cannot."

You know, all this, and I'm just, you know, you're just seeing it even on social media with everyone just posting all the bad, the bad, the bad. And, eh, I just started sharing my personal daily routine. So when I had hit my rock bottom, I started learning a lot about mindset, self-development. Oh, journaling, what is this? Oh, meditation, what is this?

Never done any of that stuff before. Was never taught, was never, you know, wasn't, wasn't on- as popular on social media like it is today. And I just started teaching them how to do that. "Hey, every single day, I want you to get your mindset right. You are going to be launching.

Here's, like, the questions I want you to go through. Write down the answers. Here's a meditation." Gave them, like, guided meditation examples of what to listen to, that kind of stuff. And I just started sharing that, not only in that class, but also just on social media in general.

So I started getting a lot of feedback on, "Hey, like, is there a PDF download to access these journaling questions?" You know, I kinda got that a couple times. It was just like, whatever, like, I was so in my bus- other business, right? And then finally, I was just like, "Whoa, like, this... Doesn't everybody do this?"

That was my first thought, like, 'cause I'd been doing it for so long, it was normal for me. Yeah. It was like, "Doesn't everyone do this?" So I had that, literally that, like, download of like, oh my God, this isn't just going to be another e-book PDF download that's gonna get lost in someone's inbox. I'm like, no, this, this...

I use a journal, and I would always just, like, buy a really fancy one, right? I'm like, no, this needs to be a really beautiful luxury journal that is just, like, beautiful and gorgeous and that can help take someone through the process. Because everything that I've learned, I can't just regurgitate to you on, like, a couple-minute call or recording- Yeah, yeah ... or something, right? Like, it, it has to, like, it has to be detailed, documented in a book, and I want it to be beautiful. And from there, that, like, that moment, um, at the time, I had just started dating or was just dating my now fiancé, and I, like, told him this idea.

I'm like, "Hey..." I was like... and had this, like, idea download, like, "I think I need to do it." And he's all like, "Fuck yeah, let's go. Like, let's freaking do it." Yeah, yeah. 'Cause he was, he was very excited.

Um, just the whole online space, I knew for me as well, I had kind of seen it as far as like, "Oh, is this what I'm gonna be doing for the rest of my life? I don't know. No, I know I'm not. Like, what's the next thing?" So it was just the timing of everything at once.

So I just went right into figuring out. I didn't know anything about manufacturing, shipping, having a product base, nothing, like, literally nothing. I stepped into this with so much fear and unknown, but I knew deep down in my soul, I'm like, "No. No, this, this needs to be birthed, and you need to do it 'cause so many people need this, and you need to help them." So dove into that, launched that, what, now four years ago at this point, during the pandemic, which was the worst time, by the way, to launch a physical product when, you know, everyone remembers all the container ships and everything being stuck out sea for months and months and months on end.

Yeah, that... My company was out, stuck out there too. It was just, the first year was, like, one of the most, like, disastrous. I should've, I could've 100% given up. There were days that I wanted to, but I just, like, k- held the vision of what this was going to be.

And, um, yeah, so that's what the Manage Gratitude Journal is today. And basically, the whole process of the journal, it's a 90-day journal. The first part is basically a workbook, because I feel like when it comes to goal setting and just manifesting in general, which I know gets a bad rap thanks to social media, but we're manifesting every second of the day. Mm-hmm. Whether you believe in it or not, like, your thoughts, your feelings, your actions, it literally creates your reality, and we are the creators of our reality.

So if we know that, like, why not freaking have a fun time playing with it and taking charge of our lives? So the first part is a workbook. We go through a series of questions, and I know this entire episode we've been talking about, like, how do you get that awareness? What questions do you ask? Like, how do you go deeper?

How do you figure out? And that's literally what the workbook is, because those were all the questions I had to ask myself when I had hit my rock bottom of like, "Hey, Sam, what do you want your life to actually look like? What's been holding you back?" Like, the biggest question is not even about, like, what you want. A lot of people kind of know what they want.

It's more like, what's been h- holding you back? Like, what has been that fear? What has been that past trauma? Like, maybe you have had, have heard stories of other people trying it, so you didn't enjoy it. Maybe something had happened to you in the past where it just killed your confidence and you're like, "There's no way I could go on to move something else."

So we deal with the past stuff that's been holding you back. We deal about, deal with the things on, okay, what is the stuff that you need to release and let go? Um, we do a lot of stuff with just, like, subconscious programming because all of it is, is, like, our mind, right? Like, this is what's keeping us where we're at, and it's because our minds, like, we have 12 to 80,000 thoughts a day, and 85% of them are repetitive. So if you're having that same self-doubt every single day, if you're having that lack of confidence, if you're having that lack of drive every single day, like, of course nothing's going to change.

Mm-hmm. So then when you go into the actual journaling, it's all... It's like a daily entry. It takes, like, less than six minutes. I timed myself the other week actually.

I'm like, "Wait, how long does this actually take?" But it's all focused on gratitude, what you're open to receiving. Um, you have three... My favorite part is three action steps that you're going to take today to move closer towards your goals, and then a full journal entry page, which you start with, "I'm so happy and grateful that..." So we're talking about the, quote-unquote, "future," but we're acting as if it's already happened. 'Cause the one thing with our mind is the subconscious mind has no idea what's fake and what's reality.

That's why everything that you consume, from the movies that you watch, the shows that you watch, the books that you read, the podcasts you listen to, like, it has no idea if it is real or fake. So if you're bombarding yourself with crime podcasts and scary movies and all this negative, like, lower frequency vibrational stuff, like, your subconscious is taking that in as real. So of course the next day, how are you gonna wake up feeling so high vibe when you just digested a whole bunch of crap? So the one thing with the journal is you get up, you do it every day. It is super short and easy to fill out, but it gets your mind right so you're instantly starting the day, just like you said earlier with how you kinda journaled, like, you started the day- Thinking about the things that you want to accomplish, it gives you that confidence of, "Oh, I know exactly those three little things I need to get done today."

And when you start doing that over and over, like at this point I've been doing it for nine years, 10 years, like my life has just kept on getting better and better and better and better. It's not that I don't face hardships, it's not that I don't face any like problems or obstacles. Of course I do. But with each problem and obstacle that I have, I know to look at it also as a lesson, and I also now have the tools in my toolbox to like, okay, dealing with this. Instead of getting, like staying in the stewing of anger and mad and sadness, I'm like, all right, feel that shit.

Figure out what that lesson was in this. All right. Let's make sure we don't repeat that again, and this is how we continue moving onwards. So it's a process. It's def- it's a proc- it's a lifestyle.

Like I, like, just like we were talking about, you know, people have unhealthy lifestyles. Like, I always say to my students, like, manifesting is a lifestyle. Like, changing your life is a lifestyle. Having a good, high, healthy luxury life, like it's, it, they call it a lifestyle for a reason because it's not something you just do for 30 days or a week, or you create a vision board one time and wait for it to fall in your lap. Like, it is a process that builds on itself to create the habits so that you can grow and evolve as a person.

Yeah. I'm gonna be a terrible podcast host right now and just say that I agree with everything that you said. I know I'm supposed to ask some contrarian question, but I, uh, I completely agree. I, I'll tell you, and, and I know a lot of people that are listening, um, especially probably the men, 'cause I see this much more in men than I do in women. I feel like women...

Well, one, women just tend to have a much, um, stronger, uh, sense of openness to new ideas, to, to themselves- Mm-hmm ... to feelings and emotions. Um, but I think that particularly for the men, oftentimes ideas like manifesting, like gratitude- Mm-hmm ... et cetera, they're seen as like foo-foo-y, ethereal kind of things. Mm-hmm. And it's like, "Oh yeah, I'm sure that's good for the, you know, the young kids or some internet entrepreneur, but, you know, I run a small business or an insurance agency, or I'm an executive in a company," whatever. And, uh, guys, you know, uh, just give you an anecdote, uh, to, to, to reinforce what you said, um, you know, I love being a dad.

Mm-hmm. I love it. I absolutely love it. I, I coach Little League and I just enjoy, I enjoy it immensely. Um, I'm willing to take whatever level of success I could have had without kids and have it be less because I have them, 'cause you just, it is very difficult to- Yeah ... operate at 100% when you have children, as many people who are listening know.

However, um, when I first got divorced, I, you know, there's so many feelings going on and then I, now I have two, you know, at that point they were eight and six. I have two relatively young boys, uh, that I'm now parenting by myself and, you know, that's a new experience, and they were... You know, they're rambunctious and they're running around and, uh, I'm living in an apartment now after living in a nice house with my, with my ex and I would, starting to feel myself get very frustrated with them. Mm-hmm. And, you know, and, and I used journaling for about s- five months, uh, during that time period, uh, to pull myself out of it, and I just started with gratitude and saying, I would just write at the top like, you know, I, I, I'm a Christian, so I just would say, "Thank you so much."

I would just write literally, "Thank you so much, God, for having two healthy young boys who I love and love me." Mm-hmm. And what I found was changing nothing else, all of a sudden the little things that were like bothering me that they would do, or like them yelling or just being kids, um, it stopped bothering me. Like, like, and, and not in like a conscious way. It wasn't like I was like t- you know, saying to myself like, "Don't let that bother you."

Like, it just was all, they're just being... Yeah, they're, they're just being kids, you know? Whatever. Yeah. And because as you said, uh, this idea of manifesting and, and I did not believe in manifesting.

I was one of those people that's like, "This is stupid. This is like something people teach you when they wanna sell you shit." Yeah. And then I heard probably five years ago... Are you familiar with Andy Frisella?

He's a- Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, I love his podcast and I love his way. Um- Yep ... and he did an entire episode, like out of the blue, and it, the whole episode ended up being about manifesting.

I don't think it was probably meant to be by, by listening to it, but talking about how he is an enormous believer in manifesting, and he's actually talks about how he's pissed that the secret exists because it kinda corrupted this idea that literally has been a paramount to his life. And he's like, "I think every day intentionally and consciously about what I want for even if it's for 30 seconds. I am visualizing it, I'm thinking about it." And then what happens is not the thing comes out of thin air, but it's like, uh, when you buy a new car and then all of a sudden you see that car on the road, right? Yeah.

If your brain is thinking problem, problem, problem, problem, problem, then you are literally telling your brain- Look for problems ... look for problems. Yeah. See problems, like search out problems, uh, m- you know, marinate in the problems. Yeah. Where the opposite of if I'm thinking positivity, if I'm thinking energy, if I'm thinking love, if I'm whate- you know, whatever your things are, then all of a sudden you start to see those things.

Your spouse or, you know, I have a, a, a woman I've been seeing for a while now, you know, they do something and maybe you would've just ignored it before and now all of a sudden you're like, "Jesus, man, she picks up the dishes every night. Like, I'm gonna go grab a couple dishes and help her," right? Like, 'cause... And, and not, it's, again, it's not conscious, guys. I, I, I, I, I, I wanna reinforce, I think, one, I, I love your journal.

I don't have it yet. I'm gonna buy one, or I did buy one. It'll be in the mail. But, uh, I, I, you know, just in reading through it, like this kind of stuff to me is so important to change because- W- like we talked about, we over-justify things, right? Mm-hmm.

We, we justify all these things in our head. I think another big part of it is we feel like we don't deserve- Yeah ... our best life, right? Like, there was a period when, when the, my, my marriage first fell apart, um, 'cause it was a shock to me. It was like I got a phone call, and she was like, "I'm done." And I...

And we had no, you know, there was no prior, right? I mean, I don't wanna, we don't need to get into the story and, and I'm not gonna blame her for it, for it, but it was very shocking to me. And I was like, "Man, I, I thought... Up until that moment, I thought I was a good husband. I, you know, I had all these visions of who I was, and all of a sudden that was shattered.

And I started to say, like, "Well, maybe I don't deserve that. Maybe I don't deserve to be the married guy with kids and, and all these things." And, and that's so toxic. Mm-hmm. And if we don't have a way of counterbalancing that, and, and I think journaling is, is a, an tremendous way to do that.

Again, whether you use it all the time as a lifestyle or use it as a tool in dark moments, I think that you have to have a counterbalance to those negative thoughts, and using a prompted journal in particular, if you're not used to journaling, is a tremendous way- Right ... of creating a buttress- Yeah ... to all the negativity that's attacking you each moment of your day. Exactly. I couldn't, I literally couldn't agree more. Yeah. Well, we're- I lo- I lo- I love that you ordered the journal.

I wanna send you the men's journal. It hasn't released yet, but we just got an in, so- Okay. Yeah, yeah ... I'd love for you to be one of the first- That'd be awesome. I'd love that ... first read with it.

I, uh, I, uh, yeah, I, I don't care, men's, women's, it, it... I just, I like the prompts- Mm-hmm ... I like the activity, and I like the setup. And I would agree with you, the, the look and feel. You know, you, you want something you can hold in your hand.

Yes. And, uh, I also like to, uh, get a feel for my guests and what they're doing and everything. Yeah. So, um, you know, this has been tremendous. I, I appreciate, uh, you and what you're doing and the message you're bringing out.

I obviously couldn't agree more with how you're doing it and the methods that you're using. Um, for people that are listening going, "I'm stuck, I'm negative, I have this habit I can't get past. I'd really love to have a better relationship with my kids, my spouse, my best friend, my business partner," whatever, and journaling can... I- if nothing else, guys, it is an amazing first step. 100%.

And it will, I promise you, I promise you that if you can commit to it for 90 days, right? And I think 90 days is a great time period. If you can just make that commitment for 90 days, you will be in a different place, in a much better place. Pro- not every problem will be solved. That's not, this isn't a be-all, end-all, but you will, your, you will be in a different place and a much better place than you are today, I absolutely promise.

Samantha, where can people go to get the journal, to learn more about you, to follow along with your journey, to, to become part of, of your community? Yeah. The journal, you can get at marriagescripting.com. And to follow me, if you wanna see, like, lifestyle, behind-the-scenes inspiration for changing your life, uh, my personal Instagram, samanthagzuch. That's where I kinda post all the things.

And then if you just wanna follow along for, like, just more, like, actual just... Yeah. And, uh, so guys, I will have, um, uh, all the links in the show notes as well, if you don't wanna go direct. So where if you're listening or watching on YouTube, just go down to the description. You can click through.

Um, Samantha, this has been amazing. I, I appreciate you. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Um, and when you launch the men's journal, would love to have you back and, uh, uh, you know, if, if your fiance's part of that experience- Yeah ... and something you wanna do- My fiance- That'd be awesome ... yeah, it's all my fiance.

He designed it. He's the one, like, he journals. He journaled way before he even met me. So- Yeah ... he, he's the one in charge of that one. I'm running the women's, he's running men's.

And yeah, I think you guys would have an amazing conversation. Awesome. Awesome. Well, I wish the two of you nothing but the best. I appreciate you.

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